I finally lost patience with another listserv. In this case value networks. Pity really, some good discussions from time to time but its no longer worth the effort. That leaves me with ACT which I will keep, otherwise social media has largely replaced any utility provided. In this particular case there is only so much polemic one can take before it gets tedious. At least in the wikipedia there are community rules requiring proper citation, NPOV and WP:NPA
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I think I may need to rethink my online ordering of books etc. given this ...